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ES Said: We didn't know they were true until we liberated the fucking camps. Who would believe such things?

Then I'm wondering why Germany as a whole was balmed for the genocide (And is until today). The Germans knew less about the genocide than the US did. The German public never saw any reports, documents or similar about the genocide, of course not. But the US government did.

And tude dog is completely right: Instead of turning German cities and their civilians into ashes you could have used some of these bombs on Auschwitz and the other death-camps. But you didn't care.

 

You have evidence on Saddam Hussein. Now explain yourself.



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THE UNITED STATES AND THE HOLOCAUST ES SAID: So now we're responsible for the holocaust, I see.

Not at all, no one ever said that.

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Rescue was not a priority for the United States government. Nor was it always clear to Allied policy makers how they could pursue large-scale rescue actions behind German lines. ES SAID: we liberated the whole fucking continent in a global war against tyrany at the cost of more than 400,000 innocent American lives. What the fuck more do you want? It wasn't our fucking war. We didn't fucking cause it. If you want to suggest otherwise you can fuck yourself.

Dude, ." Nor was it always clear to Allied policy makers how they could pursue large-scale rescue actions behind German lines."

What's your gripe? A little thin skinned?

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Due in part to antisemitism, isolationism, the Depression, and xenophobia, ES SAID: holy shit, ever learned about the logical fallacy of beggin the question?

Ever learn of keeping things in context?

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the refugee policy of the U.S. State Department (led by Secretary of State Cordell Hull) made it difficult for refugees to obtain entry visas. ES SAID: gosh, hard to get millions of people into the country DURING A FUCKING WORLD WAR? that seems unreasonable.

The SS St.Louis had just over 900 people and was denied entry, please try to stay on topic and context.

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The State Department also delayed publicizing reports of genocide. ES Said: We didn't know they were true until we liberated the fucking camps. Who would believe such things? The whole thing was irrational. Why would Hitler do that? Just to be evil? Doesn't make sense and didn't aid even Germany's other evil aims.

Your claim is simply not true. We knew.

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The report, sent by Gerhart Riegner (the representative in Geneva of the World Jewish Congress), was not passed on. The State Department asked American Rabbi Stephen Wise, who also received the report, to refrain from announcing it. Reports of Nazi atrocities often were not publicized in full by the American press. In 1943, Polish courier Jan Karski informed President Franklin D. Roosevelt of reports of mass murder received from Jewish leaders in the Warsaw ghetto. No immediate executive action was taken. ES Said: believe it or not it takes some time to build an Army from scratch and invade a fortress continent.

Dude, the Warsaw Ghetto happened before Pearl Harbor! IT WAS NOT A SECRET TO OUR GOVERNMENT! A LEAST A FUCKING LETTER OF PROTEST, OR SOMETHING!

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By the spring of 1944, the Allies knew of the gassings at Auschwitz-Birkenau. Jewish leaders pleaded unsuccessfully with the U.S. government to bomb the gas chambers and railways leading to the camp. From August 20 to September 13, 1944, the U.S. Air Force bombed the Auschwitz-Monowitz industrial complex, less than five miles from the gas chambers in Birkenau. However, the U.S. maintained its policy of non-involvement in rescue, and bombed neither the gas chambers nor the railways used to transport prisoners. Well we wanted those dirty jews dead, obviously. You know we had a whole fucking German military to drop bombs on, and we didn't have enough bombs for that either.

And there you have a great point. It is better to turn a blind eye to mass murder so we can incinerate a hundred thousand civilians in Dresden. And boy, what a militarily significant target that was.

give me a break.

 

I dunno man. Even the Vichy and spineless French look good compared to the swiss.



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 Great reply!

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ES Said: We didn't know they were true until we liberated the fucking camps. Who would believe such things?

Then I'm wondering why Germany as a whole was balmed for the genocide (And is until today). The Germans knew less about the genocide than the US did. The German public never saw any reports, documents or similar about the genocide, of course not. But the US government did.

And tude dog is completely right: Instead of turning German cities and their civilians into ashes you could have used some of these bombs on Auschwitz and the other death-camps. But you didn't care.

 

You have evidence on Saddam Hussein. Now explain yourself.

 

Evindences? You knew it since the very day Saddam took power, with your help. And stayed in power, with your help. Attacked Iraq and gassed Iranians, with your help.

That means you have to explain yourself. Not me.

And will you ever stop comparing one of the most powerful dictators the world has ever seen, who tried to conquer the world and to enslave it, to an utterly powerless Arab asshole who ruled a nation that was illegaly bombed into ashes for 13 years?
To a man against whose nation you led a criminal war to disarm him from weapons he did not have? Killing thousands and thousands and thousands of innocents, creating civil war, a playground for terrorists and fucking up an entire nation?

Explain yourself.

Btw, I will create a signature. It's one for you.

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Evindences? You knew it since the very day Saddam took power, with your help. And stayed in power, with your help. Attacked Iraq and gassed Iranians, with your help.

So that's wrong right? Now you need to explain.



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 What does he need to explain? That creating monsters and getting rid of them is something you can do in Dr.Hydes laboratory but not on a world stage? That this globe is not yours and that you are not entitled to play with the inhabitants like in a chess game?

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 What does he need to explain? That creating monsters and getting rid of them is something you can do in Dr.Hydes laboratory but not on a world stage? That this globe is not yours and that you are not entitled to play with the inhabitants like in a chess game?

We've been doing it for 70 years. You've benefitted immensly from it. 

We'd be happy to feed you to the Soviet Union, and no longer interfere in your affairs, but we already won that chess game.  

 P.S. if your beloved UN did its fucking job, there'd be nothing to talk about.

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 What does he need to explain? That creating monsters and getting rid of them is something you can do in Dr.Hydes laboratory but not on a world stage? That this globe is not yours and that you are not entitled to play with the inhabitants like in a chess game?

We've been doing it for 70 years. You've benefitted immensly from it. 

We'd be happy to feed you to the Soviet Union, and no longer interfere in your affairs, but we already won that chess game.  

 P.S. if your beloved UN did its fucking job, there'd be nothing to talk about.

 

About 60 years, not 70.

I didn't benefit from Saddam gassing Iranis, anyway. I didn't profit from the US butchering 2 million Vietnamese. I didn't profit from the US protection and creation of dozens of murderous assholes around the world.

And the UN was doing its fucking job. But you stopped them by calling the inspectors out of Iraq because you found it smart to drop bombs on innocents.



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And the UN was doing its fucking job. But you stopped them by calling the inspectors out of Iraq because you found it smart to drop bombs on innocents.

A FUCK load more "Innocents" died because of SANCTIONS (Propogated, administered, and ABUSED) under your preciously untouchable UN in partnership with benevolent "Buy expired medicines from Russia while I build another palace" Saddam Hussein even AFTER oil-for-food than have had or ever will have "bombs dropped on their heads!"

 




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 What does he need to explain? That creating monsters and getting rid of them is something you can do in Dr.Hydes laboratory but not on a world stage? That this globe is not yours and that you are not entitled to play with the inhabitants like in a chess game?

We've been doing it for 70 years. You've benefitted immensly from it. 

We'd be happy to feed you to the Soviet Union, and no longer interfere in your affairs, but we already won that chess game.  

 P.S. if your beloved UN did its fucking job, there'd be nothing to talk about.

 

About 60 years, not 70.

I didn't benefit from Saddam gassing Iranis, anyway. I didn't profit from the US butchering 2 million Vietnamese. I didn't profit from the US protection and creation of dozens of murderous assholes around the world.

And the UN was doing its fucking job. But you stopped them by calling the inspectors out of Iraq because you found it smart to drop bombs on innocents.

 

No, we were behind the WWII thing too  Hope you're not mad. (this explains the gentle treatment of the Nazis, we didn't want them to squeal)

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And the UN was doing its fucking job. But you stopped them by calling the inspectors out of Iraq because you found it smart to drop bombs on innocents.

A FUCK load more "Innocents" died because of SANCTIONS (Propogated, administered, and ABUSED) under your preciously untouchable UN in partnership with benevolent "Buy expired medicines from Russia while I build another palace" Saddam Hussein even AFTER oil-for-food than have had or ever will have "bombs dropped on their heads!"

 

 

If we bomb the UN we won't hit any innocents.



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Only liberals and Socialists...

 

 

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And the UN was doing its fucking job. But you stopped them by calling the inspectors out of Iraq because you found it smart to drop bombs on innocents.

A FUCK load more "Innocents" died because of SANCTIONS (Propogated, administered, and ABUSED) under your preciously untouchable UN in partnership with benevolent "Buy expired medicines from Russia while I build another palace" Saddam Hussein even AFTER oil-for-food than have had or ever will have "bombs dropped on their heads!"

 

 

If we bomb the UN we won't hit any innocents.

 

You can as well take a leak on Roosevelts grave.



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 Roosevelt would piss on his own grave if he could see what Europe has become after he spent so many American lives on it.

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That's true, he would actually piss on his own grave.

Because he would have wanted his grave to be moved to Europe by now.



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Because he would have wanted his grave to be moved to Europe by now.

I don't know what's funnier...the absurdity...or the fact that Indubio probably seriously believes this!



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That's true, he would actually piss on his own grave.

Because he would have wanted his grave to be moved to Europe by now.

 

Riiiight, Roosevelt was a big fan of Europe, that's why he turned it into a parking lot.



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