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Where I live, any adult without a criminal record or mental health problem can buy any firearm they want.

Makes me wonder, what the heck is the good of such restrictions?

Toughest laws in the world could not stop Cumbria tragedy

Gun laws in the UK are among the toughest in the world after a number of mass killings over the past three decades.

Anyone who acquires or is in possession of a shotgun — the weapon believed to have been used in the Cumbria killings — must have a certificate issued by a chief police officer in the area in which they live.

The certificate allows the holder to possess any number of shotguns, including pump-action and self-loading weapons with a magazine that cannot hold more than two cartridges.

The officer must be satisfied that an applicant has “good reason” for wanting a shotgun, is fit to have it and that public safety will not be endangered.

Police must interview every applicant and visit their home to check that the gun is held in a secure locker.

There were 574,946 shotgun certificates in operation at the end of March last year, 5 per cent higher than the previous year.

The number of certificates peaked in 1988 at 882,000 and has since fallen by more than a third, according to Home Office figures published in March.

The reduction coincided with revised rules for renewing shotgun certificates, including a requirement on the police to carry out additional checks on applicants, including a visit to their home.

The certificates covered 1.3 million shotguns.

In Cumbria 9,868 certificates were in operation in March covering 22,476 shotguns, an average of 2.3 guns per certificate.

Police in the area received 370 new applications for shotgun certificates of which only two were refused.

Shotgun certificates must be renewed every five years, with the police conducting the same checks on the applicant, including a face-to-face interview.

Gun laws were tightened after the Hungerford massacre in 1987, in which Michael Ryan killed 16 people and himself with two semi-automatic rifles and aa handgun.

Semi-automatic and pump-action rfiles, weapons with explosive ammunition, self-loading rifles and short shotguns with magazines were banned.

The Firearms (Amendment) Act of 1988 also made registration for shotguns mandatory. Shotguns were required to be kept in secure storage.

Even stricter laws were introduced after the 1996 killings in Dunblane, Scotland, when Thomas Hamilton murdered 16 primary schoolchildren and their teacher with four legally held pistols.

The then Conservative government prepared laws banning handguns above .22 calibre but after Labour came to power the law was changed to outlaw .22s as well.

More recently action was taken to deal with imitation firearms. The Violent Crime Reduction Act of 2006 made it an offence to manufacture, import or sell realistic imitation guns, doubled the maximum sentence for carrying an imitation gun to 12 months, and made it a crime to fire an air weapon beyond the boundary of any premises.

It also increased the age limit for buying or possessing an air weapon from 17 to 18.

The killings in Cumbria will reopen the argument about gun control with people against restrictions arguing that whatever curbs are in place incidents such as today’s will still happen.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article7142568.ece

The argument should be reopened.



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tude dog wrote:
The argument should be reopened.

What argument? You mean a total ban on all firearms, I agree, Im fed up of mass murder sprees and shootings by criminals and hearing gun ownership rights for society.
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Brian Foley wrote:
What argument?

The argument that laws can stop mass murder. As the article pointed out.

Brian Foley wrote:
, Im fed up of mass murder sprees and shootings by criminals

So am I.

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and hearing gun ownership rights for society.

Tired as you may be, it is not only a sociateal right but most important to me an indivudal right.

Me, as a member of civialized society have every right to protect ourselves from the savage pedators whom live among us.

Guns arn't the problem buddy, it is violent savages whom pry on the weak.



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Guns arn't the problem buddy, it is violent savages whom pry on the weak.

Guns are the problem, such a weapon gives any person who is stupid enough to carry and wanton enough to use a gun immense and unwarranted power over anyone else. All those guns the citizens owned in Los Angeles, yourself included buddy came to no use at all as no gun owner ever used one to defend himself. If your police who are armed with a variety of weapons cannot fulfil their community obligations to make your life safe to a point where you must carry a side arm then something is seriously wrong with society.

.....However I do wish you are safe in Kansas wouldnt want to see ya take a bullit, I root for you to turn the bad guy into Swiss cheese of course
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.....However I do wish you are safe in Kansas wouldnt want to see ya take a bullit, I root for you to turn the bad guy into Swiss cheese of course

Thanks buddy.

Better them than me.



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Hi, sorry I played Houdini for so long, but finals and
end of the year school work damn near killed me, among
other things. All I'll say on that note is thank god for
therapy.

For this debate - This is a law I'd like to see changed.
This has enough holes to compete with swiss cheese. I
mean, ok, this law just means some law enforcement
official (who I'm not going to lie, could be payed off to
say that you've got a valid reason to have it) says "Ok,
you can have any number of shotguns!". Besides the fact
that shotguns are NOT the best thing to go on a massive
killing spree with (As far as I know, shotguns come in
two flavors - single and double barrel, and therefore
single and double rounds before reload, right?), this law
is MESSED UP.

First off, this just means law enforcement knows you have
1+ shotguns around. Does the reason have to be verified?
For instance - I could say, "Oh, yeah, me and my pals
like to go hunting on occasion". And this is supposed to
work for them? Who checks up on this? Does it need to be
reverified? Cause this seems like a whole world of
trouble just begging to happen. Are background checks a
part of this process? I mean seriously this sounds like a
total loopholeapalooza.

I've got SUCH issues with this law.
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xmetalheadnyrx wrote:
Besides the fact
that shotguns are NOT the best thing to go on a massive
killing spree with (As far as I know, shotguns come in
two flavors - single and double barrel, and therefore
single and double rounds before reload, right?),

I have a Mossberg 12ga pump shotgun capable of holding six rounds, not uncommon.

They also have semi-autos, same capability.

What would be cool for mass murder would be a Protecta Streetsweeper, cylinder holds twelve 12ga. rounds.

But then there is the

Full Auto Shotgun



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Thank you for enlightening me tude - also I sort of
figured I was wrong.

Though I will say, while your gun looks manageable, the
other two look.... like they'd rip most peoples arms off.

So does this but I know some lucky fuck who got to fire
it.

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Yeah. He's my age but he's really built for whatever
reason, and he needs someone to hold his back to make
sure he doesn't accidentally lose this gun.
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Oh, that didn't work did it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BYnG4vrb-
U&feature=PlayList&p=6D5DE55636CDE05D&playnext_from=PL&pl
aynext=1&index=1

Also - it's a .700 called the Nitro Express. Not ENTIRELY
sure they're legal here, the bullets are freaking huge,
and are 1000 grains. My dad didn't believe this gun could
be so big as to be a .700 until I told him about the
bullets being 1000 grains. He then questioned the sanity
of my friend - I did that on a regular basis until he
insulted my dad. Guess who I don't speak to anymore?



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This is a better video, and gives shots of the ammo side by
side with 30-06 rounds.

Yeah, it's big.
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xmetalheadnyrx wrote:
Yeah, it's big.

If offered a chance to fire that big boy I would have to pass.

I am very fond of my shoulder.



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Haha. Yes. He claims there's a way to set it to full auto.
I'm not sure if this kid's even human. Again, I don't speak
to him anymore, but he's been in instances where he should
have been burned by fires, and was not. He's really not
human at all.

Half the reason I don't talk to him anymore is because he's
scary (see above). Really, really, scary.
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xmetalheadnyrx wrote:
He claims there's a way to set it to full auto.

That would require a whole new design. You just can't do that with a bolt action rifle.



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Well as i have said before gun laws don't work, we have the toughest gun laws in the world & the criminals have loads of guns they just get them smuggled in. Only the law abiding cits have to go without protection.

 



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In the U.S. conceal carry is all the rage.

State by state, citizens have secured their inalienable right to bear arms.

Meanwhile, our violent crime rates go down.

Progress in Right-to-Carry

 



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I think he was using another one. Not necessarily this
particular model. Though I guess there aren't many of this
caliber firearm. I mean seriously, how many types of
mammoth gun does one need?
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